tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post5311863303528727927..comments2023-10-24T00:24:11.707-07:00Comments on Poetry of Subculture: "I Hate Keyboards in Metal"Helmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-18959378813954928282010-11-23T11:53:23.683-08:002010-11-23T11:53:23.683-08:00Worth a try!
Thanks for the dialogue :)Worth a try!<br /><br />Thanks for the dialogue :)Helmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-20059928395117143992010-11-23T05:33:07.610-08:002010-11-23T05:33:07.610-08:00I'm still not sure what to think about the &qu...I'm still not sure what to think about the "newer" Confessor but I love Orphaned Land's El Nora Alila and Mabool so you got me there though there is a lot more going on with those albums than groovy half-thrash pantera riffing though. in those albums. Also I don't know why but most groove metal bands I've heard had very annoying vocalists. I don't know if it's the chest-bumping machopretend or what but I don't like it.<br /><br />"<br />I'm fascinated by a person who listens to Heavy Metal but can't take high vocals or fantasy lyrics or growling or whatever. How does that work? It's like not liking the color red in a painting. "<br /><br />Well it at least seems there's quite a bunch "no clean/high/growled/whatever vocals" people on internet these days. I can only speculate the reasoning behind this. One could be that these people are still pretty new to Heavy Metal but I know it's not always the case. Pretty recently I read a youtube comment on some Queensrÿche (!) song that said "Cool song but I don't like the clean vocals".<br /><br />"I'm not saying your friend doesn't exist, Nekromantis. I'm just really skeptical as to his real motivations for his positions on what types of metal he likes and why."<br /><br />It's very possible that I've understood him wrong as I've hesitated to discuss these things in depth because I don't want to come off as.. you know.. metal inquisitor or something. But I will ask him about it and we'll see what he has to say.Nekromantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03439391978636334926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-82264848564073547102010-11-23T04:59:21.938-08:002010-11-23T04:59:21.938-08:00I detested most of the groove metal I've liste...I detested most of the groove metal I've listened to, but then Confessor have a lot of groove influence on their best record, also Orphaned Land probably loved Pantera... Rosicrucian put out an absolutely stunning half-thrash record... there's exceptions to most generalizations.<br /><br />I'm fascinated by a person who listens to Heavy Metal but can't take high vocals or fantasy lyrics or growling or whatever. How does that work? It's like not liking the color red in a painting. Do they go in a murderous rage every time they hear a wailing scream or the drummer goes exactly over 200 bpm? I find taste weird and fascinating. <br /><br />I'm not saying your friend doesn't exist, Nekromantis. I'm just really skeptical as to his real motivations for his positions on what types of metal he likes and why. Perhaps he could read this piece and the resultant conversation and write in with his own experiences!Helmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-71343578978030490012010-11-22T22:52:23.725-08:002010-11-22T22:52:23.725-08:00And about this..
"When peers pressure us to ...And about this..<br /><br />"When peers pressure us to like something we have an initial bad impression of, we rebel. When figures of authority do the same later on (magazines, tastemakers, so on) we sometimes give in."<br /><br />Wouldn't you still agree that there are people who will have a hard time appreciating music that employs tools they find unappealing. My friend doesn't care much for the typical death and black metal tremolo picking, blastbeats and groweled vocals, someone else has a hard time listening high male vocals or fantasy lyrics "no matter what". And in general listeners are nowadays going more and more for a certain niche sound. They are fans of a subgenre or worse, a sub-subgenre! This I find a bit odd as I've always been pretty open for the variety of Heavy Metal. That said I don't care about "groove metal riffing" to the point that even if I learn to appreciate what the band is doing/achieving the pure sonics will probably just bore me.Nekromantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03439391978636334926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-45743340496040828102010-11-22T22:24:17.835-08:002010-11-22T22:24:17.835-08:00"I have a love/hate relationship with Painkil..."I have a love/hate relationship with Painkiller. On one hand it has some perfectly written songs. On the other, Chris Tsangaridis' production is pretty taxing on my ears and it set the standard for a decade of plastic metal."<br /><br />I feel exactly the same about it. I really want to like it more but it sounds too cold and lifeless to me. As such it's merely a good headbanging record to listen when drinking or something.Nekromantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03439391978636334926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-15985781705644067502010-11-22T11:34:55.283-08:002010-11-22T11:34:55.283-08:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWCTI7HJreE
Fuck,...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWCTI7HJreE <br /><br />Fuck, I guess Priest agree with me on those synth pads. Halford can't hit the ecstasy of that song anymore, sadly.Helmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-1313532991981515332010-11-22T11:28:18.821-08:002010-11-22T11:28:18.821-08:00You know 'πολλά'. 'Hoi Polloi'?
Y...You know 'πολλά'. 'Hoi Polloi'?<br /><br />Yes, pliktro comes from the verb plitto, which is 'to strike'.<br /><br />I think a lot of people who say that hate keys in metal would be startled if we could take the mixing multitracks of some of their favourite records and remove the synth pads and found sounds and all that crap producers put in there to justify their existence. You don't appreciate them until you start making music yourself and you think "this needs more... atmosphere... what do I do what do I do? Do I just stack more guitars harmonizing on there?"<br /><br />I have a love/hate relationship with Painkiller. On one hand it has some perfectly written songs. On the other, Chris Tsangaridis' production is pretty taxing on my ears and it set the standard for a decade of plastic metal.<br /><br />The perfect encapsulation of the problem with Painkiller is the song 'Touch of Evil'. Which I love extremely, when Halford hits 'You're Possessing Me' I could fuck a mountain in two, figuratively. But.... listen to that song right now and count how many hockey keyboard pads Tsangarides fit in that otherwise classic sounding Judas Priest stomper. They play all the melodies! They make a dramatic Halford performance sound melodramatic. If there's one thing I'd like Halford to re-do before his voice dies completely, it's Touch of Evil without so many keyboards.<br /><br />Also, I downloaded a Weapon record because of the Left Hand Path review. Wonder how I'll like it.Helmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-33407925517851902712010-11-22T09:44:43.373-08:002010-11-22T09:44:43.373-08:00I don't know that first word, but Plektra? Is ...I don't know that first word, but Plektra? Is that like the ancient "plektron," that which strikes the lyre? <br /><br />As far as cliche as defense, it seems like most people who say "keys aren't Metal" do so, as you say, without experience of them in Metal, which is an odd thing, again, as you say, considering the frequency of their use. <br /><br />I liked Painkiller when it came out and I still like it. I didn't realize it was Priest trying to "stay relevant." Just thought they were appropriating keys like every other band. I love the cover art, too. Very pop.GSV JRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05151693998976927921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-42623299060529420242010-11-22T08:51:56.969-08:002010-11-22T08:51:56.969-08:00La Villa Strangiato without keyboards == ripping o...La Villa Strangiato without keyboards == ripping out one third of the charm. Impossible.<br /><br />Me and my friend Nick once met this guy at this beer pub who was into black metal. He had a stern face, his front hair covered his eyes and when asked a question he would pause before answering as if counting his words very carefully.<br /><br />So in the midst of the usual metalhead get-to-know-each-other ritual, Nick asked him what he thought of Emperor. He mulled it over significantly and then said in a small voice with a hint of exasperation<br /><br />"...Too much keyboard".<br /><br />"... πολλά πλήκτρα." (the Greek version is funnier, somehow)<br /><br />You could tell the guy wanted to like Emperor SO BAD but yet... keyboards.<br /><br />Whereas I do not feel likewise about Emperor (whom I respect more than enjoy but would never alter their genetics by removing Mortiis from the early equation), we still get a laugh out of that response once in a while with Nick. That you see, was the opposite of a cliche. The dude didn't go for the 'easy' answer in a milisecond. He deliberated, tried to avoid having to say something everyone else would say but in the end relented and came out with it, only with at least a different wording.<br /><br />People who say the truth instinctively avoid cliches because cliches are a different sort of lingual weapon. They're not untruth necessarily, they <i>sidestep the necessity of truth or falseness in a statement</i>. When pressured to say what's in a cliche for truth, the popular wording at least, must be substituted for a less pure, more imperfect, yet more human and personal take.<br /><br />A lot of metalheads do not even notice the keyboards in their favourite songs. They're there, in the background, orchestrated by some producer or engineer who actually knew how to write music, augmenting a chorus here, a bridge there. Painkiller's full of keyboards. Death records have keyboards. I realize 'Keyboards suck' originated from the lengthy Wakeman keyboard solo boredom of the 70's, but gosh, people should pay more attention to their Heavy Metal anyway, there's just so many synth pads!Helmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-18085132774600192952010-11-22T08:13:55.682-08:002010-11-22T08:13:55.682-08:00Emperor turned me off to keyboards in Metal; Windi...Emperor turned me off to keyboards in Metal; Windir and Burzum turned me back on. And while they're not Metal, I can't imagine Rush w/out keyboards.GSV JRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05151693998976927921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-27421980444501173452010-11-21T06:08:06.186-08:002010-11-21T06:08:06.186-08:00I don't think all of them are. But on the inte...I don't think all of them are. But on the internet, and especially a bunch of them together, pretty sure.<br /><br />In any case, your friend would probably stand a better chance of wrapping his head around Autopsy on his own. My initial impression wasn't very good either, as it wasn't when I first listened to In The Woods... Actually the latter were terrifying and sickening, so that was even more to my surprise how now their debut is one of my favourite records ever. <br /><br />When peers pressure us to like something we have an initial bad impression of, we rebel. When figures of authority do the same later on (magazines, tastemakers, so on) we sometimes give in. This creates that really weird scenario where you might be hyping Autopsy to your friend for years and he's going to be all fuck that, and then if some magazine he really likes runs a 6 page piece on the new Autopsy record, he might come up to you and say 'how about them Autopsy, I love them!'.Helmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00584102280299430293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-355108483588914160.post-6587881444284111392010-11-19T22:02:19.006-08:002010-11-19T22:02:19.006-08:00I'm not so sure if categorical statements are ...I'm not so sure if categorical statements are social gaming in all situations. For example I have a friend who listens to Heavy Metal but dislikes growled vocals and he brings it up only when I try to convert him into listening Autopsy or something.Nekromantishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03439391978636334926noreply@blogger.com